Mada Eliza Dalian has been blessed with a special gift – she can “hear” people’s feelings and thought patterns. She grew up in Armenia but lives in Canada now. She is a modern day mystic and is coming to teach people in Norway and a few other European countries as soon it’s possible again.
She has used her special gift fór creating her own healing method – The Dalian Method that helps to be conscious about unconscious thought forms and feelings. We need to stop identifying with limiting beliefs, find their roots and transform to consciousness.
There are numerous books by Osho. Fortunately ten years ago also your transformative spiritual handbook “In Search of a Miraculous” was published. What is the main difference between Osho’s teachings, the Star Sapphire courses and the Dalian Method?
Osho’s teachings are universal, just as are the teachings of all awakened Masters. They all point to the same Truth, that we are not our body, mind, or emotions but a witnessing consciousness that is never born and never dies. The Star Sapphire and the Dalian Method are practical tools, just like meditation is a tool, to help us heal, learn to witness, and have access to our inner consciousness.
In 1995, when re-visiting the Osho ashram in India, where I lived for four years when Osho was alive, I participated in the Star Sapphire practitioner training course. I loved the system, and began offering sessions with it at the ashram, and later in the West.
After practicing with the Star Sapphire technique for a few months, however, I began to feel that something was missing. I was hearing many thought patterns and emotions that were hidden in people’s body (an ability I had since my childhood), and I could see that there were many interconnected and often contradictory layers of thought patterns and repressed emotions that were causing the energy and consciousness to be stuck. I also saw that when we were working with one thread, the other thread which was also connected to the same issue, stayed untouched. For example, one moment the person would feel afraid, insecure, and anxious, and the next moment feel angry, resentful, and self-righteous.
I wanted to find a faster way to help people become aware of what was happening in their body and unconsciousness, and free their energy from the inner turmoil that the duality of contradictory thoughts and emotions were causing. My aim was to find a way to access the true causes of physical and psychological symptoms of pain and suffering in the body so they can be permanently erased from the body’s cellular memory, allowing consciousness to take its place. I knew that instead of trying to “fix” things, which is how we are all conditioned, if people learned the important life lessons that their symptoms were pointing to, they could easily dis-identify from the beliefs and emotions that were keeping them stuck. To see their lessons, people needed to pull their energy inwards so they could access their inner consciousness and understand who they truly are. Based on my own experience of stepping out of the ego-mind, I knew that once people could see the illusion of their fears, see that their inner strength does not depend on other’s approval or disapproval, and see that they are the master of their own life, they will know what true freedom is. I am happy to say, that I succeeded in finding a new and faster technique to heal the body and transform unconscious into consciousness. This technique is now represented by the Dalian Method.
All our history from this and previous lifetimes is in our body. The Dalian Method uncovers that history layer by layer and transforms the unconscious beliefs into consciousness, creating healing and transformation on multiple levels simultaneously – physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual. It works with the whole body (front and back, and from head to feet); the unconscious mind (including past life memories and thought patterns); contradictory emotions; breathing and exhalation; out loud verbal expression; and consciousness – all at the same time.
Furthermore, when most techniques depend on the skills and state of awareness of the facilitator, who must ‘lead’ and ‘direct’ the session, with the Dalian Method, everything happens spontaneously, and without engaging the mind. This method is designed in a way that no matter who the facilitator is, the system stays universal for everyone using it. In other words, the facilitator is trained to work with the pre-recorded steps of this mathematically designed system, that remain unchanged in each session. The Dalian Method facilitators are trained to be present throughout the session so they can help the person to remain a witness and not get identified with the beliefs, fears, and uncomfortable emotions that will spontaneously begin to surface from the unconscious.
Another distinctive element about the Dalian Method is that it is designed as a self-healing system, which allows people to also use it on their own at any time they wish, to work with any issue (physical, mental, emotional, or spiritual) in the comfort of their own home. I have written in-depth, with examples and case studies, about how I devised the Dalian Method, how it works, and how to use it on your own, in the book Healing the Body & Awakening Consciousness with the Dalian Method: An Advanced Self-Healing System for a New Humanity. This book is accompanied with 2 pre-recorded Dalian Method Sessions with its full 98-minute and abbreviated 74 -minute versions. Unfortunately, at the moment this set is only available in English.
Your mystical visions tell a lot about consciousness. How do you relate to Sufi mysticism?
I am an old Sufi and love the Sufi teachings as they are heart oriented and offer practical experiences of one’s inner center. The symbol for consciousness is a circle with a dot in the middle. Through Sufi whirling for example, we can become aware of the peripheral movement of the circle, which this world represents, and at the same time experience the unmoving center within. Becoming aware of this unmoving still center helps us recognize what is eternal and what is temporal. In this unmoving center, we see our eternal Self and that which comes and goes. Here, we also recognize our oneness with Existence and all that IS. Knowing this through a direct experience, and not through the mental knowledge, makes one a mystic.
How can one recognize, which thoughts, feelings and reactions are one’s own, which are inherited from one’s parents and grandparents and which belong to far and forgotten past? Are we a mixture of all these or are the layers recognizable?
This is an important yet complex question. The recognition of which thoughts, feelings and reactions are our own, which are adopted from our own past lives, our parents, society, and religions is a gradual task of becoming more aware. Yes, the sources of thoughts can be recognizable. The more we can cultivate our ability to witness and dis-identify from thoughts, the better we can recognize where they are coming from. Cultivating our ability to witness will help us understand how our thoughts and emotions work and how they continually change, affecting the way we feel.
First, what is necessary is to learn witnessing our own thoughts, beliefs, and emotions. This can happen through meditation, introspection, watching our reactions, judgments, and behavior patterns. Then, we must learn to recognize the collective thoughts that we mechanically adopted from our parents, society, and regions. This is not an easy task, but a necessary one on the path of becoming more conscious and free.
Your description of your soul’s journey, from animal world to highest vibrations, almost saintly enlightenment, is most impressive. How can one go back to previous reincarnations? There are probably many methods. Would you recommend avoid trying to remember previous lives alone, without a teacher who can tell when the pupil is ready?
In my view and experience, remembering past lives is not for entertainment. Remembering past lives is helpful so we can see the unconscious belief and behavior patterns that we are still repeating in this life and continue making the same mistakes. Remembering past lives is especially beneficial in our relationships. I believe that most of our relationships are karmic. Meeting each other again and again, gives us an opportunity to stop repeating the same old patterns and grow in consciousness. Remembering past lives helps us introspect and take responsibility for our own thoughts and emotions instead of projecting them onto others.
Presence of a true teacher or master is helpful in a sense that he or she will not allow you to stay stuck in the story of your past lives but will help you see and understand the lessons that you must learn in order to continue your development and evolution.
Are people usually reborn in groups, solving the problems of their previous lives in new constellations or is the chance to meet someone we were closely connected in some earlier reincarnation relatively rare?
Humanity lives and has always lived in tribes, or groups. There are seven billion people on the planet and there are groups within groups. The family unit is one such group. It is impossible to intimately know every person who is part of the group and even less so, people who belong to other groups.
I think groups are formed on similar levels of consciousness that individuals function at, or are ready to function at. Living together and interacting with different people, we naturally feel more attraction to some than others. This attraction indicates that we have certain similarities, have known each other in previous lives, have some unfinished business, or like to meet again to continue our journey of evolution.
And because one lifetime is not enough to learn the most important reason of why we keep coming here, which is to discover who we truly are, we continue the thread of meeting the people we have known in our previous lives in order to continue our learning together. If we can look at each person we form close relationships with as mirrors of ourselves, instead of rejecting or fighting with their personalities, we can heal into consciousness a lot faster.
At a specific phase of spiritual evolution, people from different groups gather around a living Master. Their connection with each other as a new group becomes directly related to the desire for awakening that the master invokes. This was the case with Osho for example. He created an energy field where like-minded seekers gathered from all over the world to focus their attention to finding who they truly are. However, regardless to what group we relate to, it is still our personal responsibility to do our own work of looking in, meditating, and transforming our unconscious into consciousness.
As people who come to you are probably on very different levels of consciousness, is there any universal rule to follow or does each one have different lesson to learn?
People who come to me are those who have grown to a certain level of consciousness and understand, at least intellectually, that the causes of their challenges are hidden in their body and the unconscious. I hear from most of them saying that they have read books, experienced different healing methods, have done Yoga, meditation, etc., but still feel stuck.
Of course, each person has their own lessons in life to learn, but these lessons are also universal. We are all human beings experiencing similar emotions and thinking similar thoughts. As we move through different transitional stages in our lives, we learn the same things but through our own individual experiences. For example, we must all learn to see how our ego-mind works and dis-identify from our fears and beliefs. We must see how we get identified with feeling inferior or superior, adequate or inadequate, judgmental or critical of ourselves and others. We must understand why we think and behave the way that we do.
When somebody is either physically or spiritually so devastated he or she is not able even to meditate, what is the very first step to take?
If someone is physically or spiritually devastated, telling them to meditate is useless in my opinion. The very first step that the person must take is to accept how he or she feels without fighting or judging themselves or thinking that there is something wrong with them. The second step will be to explore and discover the true source of their physical and psychological challenges, which is always hidden in the body. The mind will often give answers by having a judgment about what is causing the condition. In my experience, and what I have observed when working with hundreds of people, is that 90 percent of the causes of physical and psychological ailments, anxiety and unrest are due to the fears and repressed beliefs that are running in the body’s unconscious. This is why I created the Dalian Method, so people can access their unconscious and discover what their body is saying.
There are serious global challenges mankind has only recently started to realize. Despite many gloomy perspectives there is also rapidly growing number of people who at least try to live with greater responsibility, in harmony with our planet and each other. Has the collective consciousness abruptly changed?
Our world feels more global now than ever before due to technology. These are definitely wonderful times to witness how the collective consciousness is changing. Even though it may feel that things are changing abruptly, it has taken a very long time to bring us to this moment. More and more people are beginning to recognize the games of control and manipulation that the status quo, other people, and they themselves have been playing. More and more people are no longer falling prey to the fears imposed by the status quo to keep humanity enslaved. More people are making responsible choices to live their life with integrity, honesty, and without control and manipulation.
To me, self-responsibility and responsibility towards life on the planet requires courage to stand out of a crowd mentality and to follow one’s own calling. The understanding that no one can live our lives except for ourselves, gives us strength, dignity, and grace. It is only with our own strength and consciousness that we can live without compromising our own inner truth.
When will the humanity be ready for a new era, Satya Yuga? Or are we already in the process – like the dawn comes, little by little? Does every person turn towards light individually, in due time, until there are so many enlightened people that suddenly everybody can realize that darkness of night is past?
Everything works in cycles. In the East, they call it the wheel of dharma, which completes a full cycle turn every 2,500 to 2,600 years. Many cycles of similar changes have come and gone in our human history, and they will continue to happen eternally because the Universe does not have a beginning or end. New souls will continue coming to this planet and repeating the same unconscious mistakes that the ones before them have made. The sun does not rise only once. It has been a long night for those of us who have been here for a longer time. We are living in the time of quickening where the concept of time is rapidly disappearing. This is so because we are approaching the turning point from where the new cycle will begin. Many older souls, who have experienced several such cycles, are finally ready to let go of their fears and attachments and surrender into the unknown, which is the Universe itself.
It was said by George Gurdjieff, and was confirmed by Osho, that if there are 200 enlightened people living on the planet at the same time, the power of their light will transform the unconscious darkness on the planet. In 1990 I had a vision of this global transformation and have described it in the epilog of my book In Search of the Miraculous: Healing into Consciousness. Yes, the dawn is near for those who are ready to live courageously and authentically, fully exposing their own unconscious darkness. The light of consciousness is always within, but one must do the needed work to see it and prepare themselves to take full responsibility for living it.
More and more people now are beginning to understand that no one is responsible for their happiness except themselves, and no one is responsible to love them or live their life for them except themselves. This is self-empowering. The more people see this and begin living this way, the more chances we will have for global transformation.
The best way for people to ride the wave of changes and set the foundation for the New Age of Enlightenment is to transform their fears and insecurities and stop tolerating and pacifying the unconscious fears and insecurities of others. Discovering our death-less being which can never be destroyed or disappear from existence must be our primary goal in life.
Thank you, Mada, for your noble and beautiful work, your braveness and generosity. It has been a great inspiration.
My pleasure. I loved your questions and I hope our interview will be helpful to readers!
